brenthutch 444 #1 February 5, 2014 http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/02/04/us-usa-fiscal-obamacare-idUSBREA131B120140204 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #2 February 5, 2014 Who would've known? You can keep your plan and your doctor though. Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,175 #3 February 5, 2014 Despite claims from Obamacare critics about the law's potential effects on hiring, CBO said the expected drop in work hours between 2017 and 2024 would result largely from worker decisions not to participate in the labor force, rather than from higher unemployment or the inability of part-time workers to find full-time hours. "The estimated reduction stems almost entirely from a net decline in the amount of labor that workers choose to supply, rather than from a net drop in businesses' demand for labor," CBO said. Why do you hate individual choice?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #4 February 5, 2014 What we hate is yet another program that provides an inducement for people to quit working and live off the dole. When people look at the numbers and say, "I'll net more money by doing nothing" then the relevant inquiry to me is, "where's the choice of those people who will be paying for 2.3 million more people? Understanding, as I do, that this is yet another step toward liberal utopia. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #5 February 5, 2014 Makers to takers, got it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #6 February 5, 2014 kallend"The estimated reduction stems almost entirely from a net decline in the amount of labor that workers choose to supply, rather than from a net drop in businesses' demand for labor," CBO said. absolutely - hell, if we gave out housing, and food, and clothes, and skydives, and cars, and televisions, and internet, and ..... I'd probably decide to not work either. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weekender 0 #7 February 5, 2014 kallendDespite claims from Obamacare critics about the law's potential effects on hiring, CBO said the expected drop in work hours between 2017 and 2024 would result largely from worker decisions not to participate in the labor force, rather than from higher unemployment or the inability of part-time workers to find full-time hours. "The estimated reduction stems almost entirely from a net decline in the amount of labor that workers choose to supply, rather than from a net drop in businesses' demand for labor," CBO said. Why do you hate individual choice? why are people choosing to not supply labor? it could be because they are discouraged. from a WSJ column: CBO's conclusion is that ObamaCare will encourage people to supply less labor by deciding not to take a job or by working fewer hours. The law's insurance subsidies are gradually taken away as income rises, "creating an implicit tax on additional earnings," the CBO observes."The point is, I'm weird, but I never felt weird." John Frusciante Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #8 February 5, 2014 lawrocketliberal utopia. http://www.politifake.org/image/political/1302/liberals-whine-battaile-politics-1360363371.jpg http://maddmedic.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/utopia.jpg Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weekender 0 #9 February 5, 2014 yea, im replying to myself. in my defense, i find i am the most interesting person here. NYT feels this is a good thing because it allows people the freedom to leave a job they did not want or work less than they wanted. i suppose there are those lucky few who have plenty of money but no insurance. it really seems like a stretch to me and i feel the NYT will say anything to defend The President. just my 2 cents. from the NYT editorial thanks to an increase in insurance coverage under the act and the availability of subsidies to help pay the premiums — many workers who felt obliged to stay in a job that provided health benefits would now be able to leave those jobs or choose to work fewer hours than they otherwise would have. In other words, the report is about the choices workers can make when they are no longer tethered to an employer because of health benefits."The point is, I'm weird, but I never felt weird." John Frusciante Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 905 #10 February 5, 2014 Sorry, I stopped reading with that first sentence. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rick 67 #11 February 5, 2014 weekender thanks to an increase in insurance coverage under the act and the availability of subsidies to help pay the premiums — many workers who felt obliged to stay in a job that provided health benefits would now be able to leave those jobs or choose to work fewer hours than they otherwise would have. In other words, the report is about the choices workers can make when they are no longer tethered to an employer because of health benefits. they don't have to work as much because someone else is picking up the tabYou can't be drunk all day if you don't start early! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,175 #12 February 5, 2014 lawrocketWhat we hate is yet another program that provides an inducement for people to quit working and live off the dole. I plan to leave my job soon and live off what you call "the dole". Why do you hate senior citizens?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weekender 0 #13 February 5, 2014 normissSorry, I stopped reading with that first sentence. because i made a lame joke? id say the rest of my post was quite mature but whatever. tough room."The point is, I'm weird, but I never felt weird." John Frusciante Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 3 #14 February 5, 2014 The Chicken Littles are - so predicatbly! - saying this will bring to the surface a whole new cohort of people who will be lazy-ish because they no longer have to rely on F/T employment for health coverage. Of course, the logical extension of that reasoning would have to presuppose that, compared to the US, that pervasive laziness is already the rule and not the exception in every OTHER modern, affluent industrialized nation on Earth, since the US is the only nation in that category that does not already have a universal national health care program. Show me the evidence that that's really the case, and I'll listen. Until then, I'm not impressed with the argument. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #15 February 5, 2014 We need to add a tongue-in-cheek emoticon. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #16 February 5, 2014 Ever been to France? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 3 #17 February 5, 2014 Yep, and I also understand the technique of cherry-picking. That's why I made a point of phrasing my post broadly enough that cherry-picking would be non-responsive. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #18 February 5, 2014 Of course, the other side of that sword is that America has been the exception and done things differently from everyone else. The exception is exceptional. Do we want to be like others? Yep. Follow, don't lead. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 3 #19 February 5, 2014 Pffft. Sloganeering. Show me the goods. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #20 February 5, 2014 Now where is that tongue-in-cheek emoticon? But since you bit..., how about Italy, Spain, Portugal, Greece, Belgium? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #21 February 5, 2014 Andy9o8Pffft. Sloganeering. Show me the goods. Plate of goods coming up.... Per Capita GDP USA-$51,704 Per Capita GDP EU $31,571 Figures are from the IMF for 2012 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 3 #22 February 5, 2014 brenthutch***Pffft. Sloganeering. Show me the goods. Plate of goods coming up.... Per Capita GDP USA-$51,704 Per Capita GDP EU $31,571 Figures are from the IMF for 2012 http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.CD?order=wbapi_data_value_2012+wbapi_data_value+wbapi_data_value-last&sort=asc 2009 2010 2011 2012 ------------------------------------------------------ United States 46,999 48,358 49,854 51,749 Canada 39,659 46,212 51,554 52,219 Sweden 43,640 49,360 56,755 55,041 Denmark 56,227 56,486 59,889 56,326 Australia 42,551 51,746 62,126 67,556 Switzerland 65,790 70,370 83,087 78,925 Norway 78,457 86,156 99,143 99,558 Luxembourg 99,282 102,009 111,813 103,828 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #23 February 5, 2014 Hardly surprising Just more democrat lies (regarding the ACA anyway) http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2014/02/04/nancy-pelosi-promised-obamacare-would-create-4-million-jobs-um-about-that/"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #24 February 5, 2014 Now who is cherry picking? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 3 #25 February 5, 2014 brenthutchNow who is cherry picking? That's silly. I linked the entire chart. Using simply the aggregated EU is artificial. Each country has its own health plan, and its economy is not 100% synonymous with the aggregate EU economy. Compare as many industrialized countries to the US as you wish. I stand by my point. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
